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everyone figured out it was a bush administration design, but still, that same crypto crescent phobia is hounding the logo for the nuclear summit. >> you see the crescent in the four flags in muslim countries. >> connect the dots, people. obama, crescent, muslim, nuclear, why aren't you more afraid? new york postcolumnist michael goodwin says no, i am not suggesting president obama is a secret muslim, but i am certain the crescent like design of the logo is not a coincidence especially at an event where iran's nuclear ambition and al qaeda's search for a bomb are prime topics. of course, liberals might tell you the logo is just a stylized version of a hydrogen atom. sure it is, but when you take a really close look, obama's
crescent nuke terrorist icon looks like this and this and even this. coincidence? wake up, america. >> the pigly wiggly, i new it. "countdown with keith olbermann" starts right now. have a great night. which of these stories will you be talking about tomorrow? smoking gun, as the tea party express in boston draws only 5,000, the idea that it is independent grassroots, destroyed. politico finds a 2009 memo, republican consultants dreamt it up and planned it as a way to raise money for their pac and planned how to promote it on fox news. independents who aren't, news that is propaganda. >> tea party express, we applaud you for uniting and for putting up with the bs from the lame stream media.
>> but the memo shows, madam, it's all a congame. the oklahoma politicians bid to create a state militia to fight against the federal government. the president shall be commander in chief of the army and navy of the united states and the militia of the several states. uh-oh. our guest, john dean. >> that old beach boy song, bomb iran, you know, bomb, bomb, bomb. >> then it was just funny. now on iran, he's just the ayatollah mccain. >> we keep pointing the gun, we haven't pulled a single trigger yet and it's about time we did. worsts, bill-o says he's proved nobody on fixed news ever said you'd go to jail if you don't buy insurance, except the fox guy who said it on bill-o's show. and the men who made talking during cheesy movies into high art. >> you know the penalty for acting without instructions. >> i think everyone in this movie is acting without instructions.
>> our special guests, joel hodgeson, and their new live show cinematic "titanic." time for go to bed. push the button, frank. all the news and commentary now on "countdown." >> what do you see, cat scan man? good evening from new york. we begin tonight in unprecedented fashion. liberals, progressives, democrats. our top story tonight is not really for you, though you are encouraged to rubber neck at the train wreck. tonight, our fifth story is a genuine and sincerely genuine attempt to help tea partiers around the country. politico publishing a secret document obtained establishing definitively that some of the top tea party leaders are using you. using you to line their own pockets and propagate the precise establishment politics you hate so much. here it is. and the reporter who got it is
standing by to talk with us. it was written just days after last year's tax day tea parties proposing the creation of the tea party express. the group that launched 1,000 bus tours. the express charter was not written by a tea party leader, nor even by a grassroots independent, but by a republican operative telling politico the tea party express could, quote, give a boost to his consulting firm's pac, political action committee. and position us as a growing force. this will be a very sensitive matter. we have to be very, very carable discussing amongst ourselves anyone we include outside of the family we are not only part of the currently part of the current establishment, nor part of the tea party establishment. ie, michelle malkin, newt gingrich, et cetera. we could probably pull off a fen nomly successful tour without
these big ego establishment types. it also talks about how to appear authentic. we've already discussed a casting call among our nevada donors in tv ads targeting harry reid to buttress our authenticity, their quote marks, in running ads in the state. one goal, electing republicans, quote, it is also worth considering making a return run to michigan. former republican michigan governor has recently stated he believes the republican party will do quite well in michigan. but the big goal of the founding firm russo marsh? money. for them. telling politico, we're hardly making any money at all. politico reporting that after its scheme, the pac quadrupled its fundraising, paying almost half that money to the russo marsh consulting firm itself and the sister company king media group. the pac's former political director telling politico "we stole the brand name to make money. none of which stopped sarah palin from shilling the tea
party express today in boston. >> so, tea party express, we applaud you for uniting and for putting up with all the bs from the lame stream media with some of the ginned up controversy, with the tea parties, false accusations of this group being racist, being violent. thank you to the tea party express for putting up with that and still uniting americans. >> in a whole new way tonight, in the way of the three-card monty dealer, this woman is an idiot. and if tea partiers still doubt they are being played, consider what palin said at the tea party express rally about tax freedom day, the day signifying what portion of the year you work to pay your taxes. the later it is, the higher your taxes are. this year it fell on april 9th, meaning you worked 99 days just to pay your taxes. this year and last, as the tax foundation itself shows, the earliest, therefore lowest tax days in decades. under bush it was never earlier than april 14th.
meaning you worked at least 104 days for the government under bush. but here was palin today. >> folks, we need your voice now more than ever. americans now spend 100 days out of the year working for government before we even start earning money for ourselves, for our families, for our small businesses. 100 days out of the year. >> as promised now, politico's senior reporter, ken vogel. great thanks for your time tonight. >> great to be with you, keith. >> opinions aside, do i have the actual outline right? >> the firm, russo marsh have pushed back this idea they're making a lot of money off of it. yes, we received $1.9 million in payments from this pac, which is now the tea party express, but a lost that was overhead, we passed it through to television stations for ad buys, to e-mail list vendors, to rent lists, but then that comes back to them because they're using these ads and e-mails to direct people
back to the pac to give them more money, and in fact the firm has not made any money from any other client other than this pac since they've unveiled this tea party express branding. and there's no doubt about it, this plan has been a wild success, beyond the sort of most ambitious expectations of these operatives. they are in the conversation, both within the tea party and beyond, and they have tapped the tea party for a sustainable revenue stream in a way that many others have tried but have not succeeded. >> the russo marsh operatives also have been insisting today they believe in the cause. but they have dropped some of their previous policy priorities to fit in with the tea party, correct? >> that's right. they make no bones about it. they sort of search for where the energy is on the right. in some ways, they kind of have a chameleon sensibility to them. in 2003, where the energy was, they're out in california, was at the attempted and successful recall of then-democratic governor gray davis, they were behind that.
they talked about after that ended, using the e-mail list and sort of the status that they built up during that to launch sort of a conservative moveon.org. then during the 2008 presidential campaign, they went out and attacked president obama, then-candidate obama, in ways that even john mccain ruled out of bounds, invoking his controversial preacher of obama's former pastor, reverend wright, and praising sarah palin and now the energy is with the tea parties. so they're on that and they're doing quite well with it. >> this document you unearthed also said they were counting on fox news, not just to mention or cover but to promote the concept, the tea party express. tonight, there is a report that the society of professional journalists is calling sean hannity's planned charge admission for a taping of his show at a tea party event tomorrow night, wrong,
incestuous and a clear conflict of interest. >> they were counting on fox news commentators to promote their rallies, their bus tour, to kind of offset their lack of credibility within the tea party movement, to give them an edge up. of course fox news has differentiated between its commentators and its news side. there's no question that this group that became the tea party express saw this as part of a business model. >> i actually was being sincere when i said the story was for the benefit of the people in the tea party. even if they don't believe me, are there actually tea party leaders who would agree with me? >> many of the grassroots tea party leaders have called for distancing themselves and their activists from these, some have even called for boycotts of their rallies. what's ironic here, keith, is this group has used the very sort of tactics of republican politics and has benefited from their years in republican politics to kind of circumvent the questions about their credibility and their sort of grassroots standing within the tea party movement.
and they've done so successfully in sort of a slick, slickly-produced, you know, very well scouted out bus tour manner that has left them in kind of a unique position as the one group that has cracked the code of being able to profit from and advance their own status from the tea party movement. >> ken vogel, senior reporter for politico, great work. it's an unbelievable story. it's a remarkable story. thanks for bringing it to us and great thanks for your time tonight. >> thank you, keith. okay, democrats, progressives, liberals, re-engage. this next one matters to all of us. oklahoma republican gubernatorial candidate is backing off his endorsement of plan to create a new state militia for the express purpose of resizing the u.s. federal government. he said it would instead be used to supplement the national guard during emergencies. another right wing tea party mastermind wrote last year his
state senators are rock solid behind him. senator inhofe said, quote, he does not support an oklahoma state sanctioned militia and thinks tea partiers should focus within civil society on issues where they can make a difference. coburn's spokesperson saying that's the worst questions of the week. thanks for watching, staff of senator coburn. let's turn now to the former nixon white house counsel, john dean, author of "worse than watergate" and "conservatives without conscience" and columnist at findlaw.com. good evening. >> good evening, keith. >> candidate brogdon initially said that the second amendment, quote, deals directly with the right of an individual to bear arms, to protect themselves from an overreaching federal government. is that -- does he have a special super notated copy of the constitution the rest of us haven't seen? >> maybe he was standing upside down when he read it, keith, i'm not sure. obviously he seems to have gotten it straight now and has pulled back. absolutely not. the militia was an idea that the
founders thought should be in each state if the national government needed them, there they would be, rather than having a standing army. not that they should create them under this. >> the constitution actually says, let me read it -- that part. not the whole thing, just this relevant part. president shall be commander in chief of the army and navy of the united states and of the militia of the several states. if they want to do this and they want to be strict constitutionalists, this militia they create to redirect the federal government will be under the guidance of president obama? >> exactly. in fact, there is statutory authority for that. that is the -- that is the contemplation of the constitution that the president, as commander in chief, could indeed call on the state militia and have them indeed follow his orders. i'm not sure that what was initially envisioned had mr. obama in charge of their operation. >> kind of a surprise for those behind this. here's a question that i've heard asked a lot in the last two days since this story broke out of oklahoma.
is just proposing the creation of some sort of armed force to defy u.s. law, is that itself illegal? is there a line somewhere between expressing it and trying to activate it in some sort of governmental fashion as was proposed in oklahoma? >> sedition, which is sort of the words, the thoughts, the evil plans, if you will, per se, are certainly not illegal, have not been in a long time. we've had sedition statutes in the past, they've been severely criticized. they're not a wise idea. but indeed where you cross the line is when you go from sedition to treason and that's putting them in place. >> and how does that interact -- we know that the idea of the militia, the state militia, is constitutional. it's in the constitution. it has never been amended out for any reason. what would cross the line and make a proposed militia illegal? >> well, indeed to use that militia to take on the federal government, that's of course
what happened in the civil war. we've had sedition before, where it has become treasonous and indeed that's the result. you find yourself at war with the federal government, you find yourself in a civil war situation. that indeed also is treason. so i think the line is pretty clear, and hopefully these people have not contemplated crossing it and they're backing down. >> how close do you suppose we got to any of that with, say, governor fobas in '57 or governor wallace or other southern governors in the great decades of civil rights reform? >> pretty close. when you're defined an order of the supreme court and the president has decided he wants to execute that order as eisenhower did with brown v. board of education in '54, and when he started implementing the law and the southern governors started resisting it, it was
right at the border. of course they did not use their troops and when the federal troops came in and ushered students in to school, that solved the problem. but it was about as close as you can get without being in an insurrection position. hopefully we're not going there again, keith. >> the backing away from this seems encouraging, if nothing else out of oklahoma is. john dean columnist for findlaw.com, author of "worst than watergate" and many other great books, thank you, john. >> thank you, keith. could any politician be desperate enough for renomination to propose at a senate hearing another pre-emptive war against another middle eastern country? john mccain did, and this time he isn't just singing bomb, bomb iran. with progressive lenses for just $25 more per pair. hurry in to sears optical today and don't miss a thing.
anybody seriously doubting we picked the right president year before last? the runner up announces it's time to pull the trigger on iran, at a senate hearing he says this. the first man on the moon hates the new nasa, the second man on the moon loves it. presumably the second man had more time to think about it. is it actually possible this woman is too nuts even for the tea party?
senator john mccain, former presidential nominee and current bid for renomination, to that senate, has today officially evolved from bomb, bomb, bomb iran to pull the trigger. in our fourth story in the "countdown", the emergence of the ayatollah mccain. just one day after president obama's nuclear security summit, mccain has undercut the president of the united states and policy towards iran and called for unilateral action. in his opening statement at a senate hearing on iran today,
mccain observed that the u.s. has backed off of taking direct action against that nation despite its potential nuclear threat. >> so make no mistake, if iran achieves a nuclear weapons capability, it will not be because we couldn't stop it, but because we chose not to stop it. >> senator mccain ended his opening remarks there, then remembered he wanted to place into the record various statements from the obama administration about iran, and it is here that the senator made what appeared to be unscripted remarks about pulling the trigger. >> time is running out. the deadline is near. robert gibbs, december 3rd. well, we're going to have consequences if they don't turn around. december 20th, 2009, the list goes on and on. of the threats that we have -- that we have made to the iranians and so far no action. george schultz, my favorite secretary of state in all the world once said, his marine drill instructor told him never to point a gun at somebody unless you're ready to pull a trigger.
we keep pointing a gun and we haven't pulled a single trigger yet and it's about time we did. >> testimony from that hearing on iran's nuclear capability was fairly clear. both pentagon and military officials say iran is at least a year away from enriching enough uranium and three to five years from producing an actually nuclear weapon. as to sanctions, mccain disputed bill byrd who said china, and russia would not agree to meaningful sanctions and russian has been playing rope a dope with the u.s. finally mccain asked why doesn't the u.s. and its allies simply act unilaterally and place sanctions that could have effect on iranian behavior. you may recall the senator sang a little ditty about bombing iran. back then it was just a joke. right? >> you know that old beach boys
song, bomb iran. bomb, bomb, bomb -- anyway. i think iran is a great threat. the iranians are continuing their efforts to acquire a nuclear weapon. >> let's turn now to the director of the american strategy program at the new america foundation and author of the washington note, steve clemens. thank you for your time tonight. >> great to be with you. >> we pull the trigger on iran and what happens afterwards? >> well, first thing that happens, what we've been hearing death to the dictator goes back to death to america again. the cia was involved in overthrowing a democratically-elected leader in iran in 1953 and i think to many iranians this will look like that again. and if we bomb iran, every major intelligence and military expert i know says it's only a delaying tactic. so you end up with a much ainge rer iran with nuclear weapons down the road. while you can delay and pre-empt some of the activity we see now, it's a sure fire way of creating either a terrorist super highway
right up to the edge of israel, and an iran that begins to flex its muscles globally. and i think it's a very, very nasty picture that john mccain is talking recklessly about. >> he seemed to be hinting afterwards he meant this metaphorically, to do something, rather than just exclusively mean this meant a strike against the nuclear facilities in iran. did he mean it metaphorically, or was there a dog whistle to the nuclear cowboy crowd at minimum here? >> with all due respect to senator mccain, this is what we used to see at the forefront of the george w. bush administration. less so in the latter part. a lot of swagger, a lot of attitude. toughness. not thinking like allegedly one of john mccain's former heroes, richard nixon, would have approached this with a lot more complexity, depth, trying to think how you shape the global order in a nixon goes to china moment. john mccain is talking about so ort bilaterally hitting iran on
the head and abandoning all our allies. if we bomb iran, it may create exactly the kind of glue that would bring russia, china and iran together. the three of them, a global economic energy superpower like we've never seen before that breaks the back of europe and the united states and japan. so bombing iran could have untold, unbelievable unexpected circumstances. doesn't mean you want to appease them, but you certainly don't want to be reckless like this, talking about pulling a trigger or singing jingles. about bombing iran. >> assuming senator mccain doesn't want a chinese, russian, iranian superpower, short of bombing iran and the officials of this nation keep saying all options are on the table, what other options are there, other than increasingly tougher sanctions? combined with diplomacy? >> there are three options. there's the one option, which is to appease everything iran is doing and i think a lot of people don't buy that. a second option is bomb them, take military action and i think that ends a lot of -- neither of those are real options. the third is to do a lot more of
what barack obama did this week, which is to shore up a global commitment to nonproliferation regime and to working together in a way that leaves iran, i think on some levels, besides wanting to be respected for having nuclear weapons, craves inclusion. i think by leaving them somewhat outside of this new building momentum that i think barack obama has put together, you put pressure on iran in other ways. i also think and it is not often discussed, doing things to further the israeli/palestinian two-state process and also diminishing our, i guess, overextension in places like afghanistan, are sure-fire ways to remind iran we're shaping the global order in a productive, constructive way, and they are outside of that. we rob iran of running room. that is the real way to confront iran's pretensions and to develop what could be an opportunity for mutual respect.
that -- barack obama has a long way to go on that, but i have to say, the nuclear summitry he's been doing has been helping a lot. >> steve clemons, thanks as always, steve. >> thank you, keith. never mind "dancing with the stars." now humanity's first two men on the moon are wrestling america's future in the stars. yes, you are. i know exactly what you love, don't i? - [ barks ] - mmm. aromas like rotisserie chicken. and filet mignon. yeah, that's what inspired a very special dry dog food. [ woman ] introducing chef michael's canine creations. so tasty and nutritious it's hard to believe it's dry dog food. chef-inspired. dog-desired. chef michael's canine creations. i thought you said carl was our best presentation guy. [ worker ] well, he is. last week he told my team about fedex office print online for our presentations. we upload it to fedex office, then they print, bind, and ship it. the presentation looks good, right?
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on the heels of three veterans of the apollo moon missions calling the president's proposal for future space exploration devastating, mr. obama will defend his plan for nasa's future at cape canaveral tomorrow. in our third story in the "countdown," buzz aldrin is already defending it. pitting oddly the second man to walk on the moon against the first man to walk on the moon. derrick pitts joins me in a moment. responding to the plans to deep six missions to deep space, apollo commanders writing in
this letter, as you see, without the skill and experience that actual spacecraft operation provides, the usa is far too likely to be on a long downhill slide to mediocrity. a second group of nasa veterans is sending a separate letter to the white house expressing its disappointment with the plan the white house responding to the criticism, it would retain the constellation moon program, and sending owe ryan unmanned to send as an emergency vehicle. also to speed development on a rocket that could go to mars, then put $6 billion into space taxis and $40 million into retraining soon to be unployed space center workers. today buzz aldrin, the truth is we've already been to the moon some 40 years ago. the president's plan will help us be in this endeavor in the long haul. joining me now the chief
astronomer, derrick pitts. good evening, derrick. >> how are you? >> not bad, yourself? >> nod bad, thank you. >> now we have babe ruth arguing with lou gehrig. who's right here? >> the fact of the matter is if we look at what's actually happening with this program and look athe kind of experience we have, the guys are right that they shouldn't let the program wind down to nothing. but the obama plan actually represents a couple of things. number one, it represents and acknowledges, if you will, a kind of maturation of the space program because it proposes outsourcing, certain kinds of services like letting the commercial space segment carry astronauts and cargo to the international space station. if you really think about what he's proposing here, he's suggesting that actually nasa be allowed to do the heavy lifting. and by that i mean allowing nasa the pursue the high frontier. you know, this idea of going to an asteroid and then going on to the moons of mars and then on to mars itself.
that's where nasa really ought to be. so his program is really taking this program as we know it into a different realm, a step further, and the aldrin-side guys are right about this. >> the heavy lift idea, to the point of the heavy lift rocket, the nasa veteran chris craft told the ap, we need a heavy lift rocket like we need a hole in the head. is craft right or is that how we get to mars with heavy lifting? >> i have great respect for chris craft. unfortunately, the fact is if we want to build spacecraft outfitted properly to take us to mars we're going to need the equipment up there, we're going to need a heavy lift vehicle. we have to think about the space shuttle program's retirement. the program is not being canceled, it is not being stopped. it is coming to the close of the program. and the reason why is because international space station construction is complete. so we need a different vehicle to allow us to take this -- these heavier materials up that are going to build the spacecraft that take us out to the asteroids or take us on to mars.
>> the other specific in here, the constellation program, it was behind schedule, it was overbudget. was it right to essentially abandon it and does that mean we are going to give up hope for, say, the millennium for returning to the moon? >> i don't think so at all. if you look at the program, let's ask the american taxpayer what would they prefer. would they prefer that we throw dollars away, throw good money after bad in a program that really could be retrofitted to do better work for us? or is it better to cut it off now when you look at what the annual budget of the united states is anyway, if we can save some money, let's save some money and put it where it really can be put to good use. i think the rest of the program as being described, once it really gets fully fleshed out and we see what all the details are, will allow for the possibility of sending people back to the moon without much difficulty at all. it's -- i think it's in there, it's just not the big target, keith, because -- like aldrin said, we've been to the moon. what would be more exciting,
though, than to send astronauts to an asteroid and then work toward sending them to mars it's very much like rekindling that great dream of the '60s to put people on the moon as a big target and a big goal to get. >> i thought we already sent tommy lee jones to an asteroid, but that was just -- >> unfortunately he came back. >> oh, boy. >> sorry. >> quickly, how much of this do we never appreciate, that this is about these industries, the space industries in texas and florida. >> the space exploration industries really have a huge infrastructure built up and that infrastructure is that infrastructure is extraordinarily important. one thing we did, which was a big mistake, we threw out the plans to the saturn v launch vehicles. we should never make that mistake again. at the same time all the talent we built up in these space centers, we need to utilize that talent to help us move toward these new goals. there are commercial space endeavors that are coming online that are going to help out in
this, and i think that that -- that great support should be spread across the whole panoply so that everybody can use it. >> threw out the plans. derrick pitts of the franklin institute in philadelphia. it is always a learning experience and a lot of fun. thank you, derrick. >> my pleasure, keith. thank you. it's nice to be cutting edge. being cutting edge for 22 years is startling. the creators of cinematic titanic, in the not so future will be here. and to be finny t. bluster is important. completely missing the time it happened on his own show, and when rachel joins you, homeland security secretary napolitano about the dangerous rise of extreme impl in the united states. and choose any car in the aisle. choosing your own car? now that's a good call. go national. go like a pro.
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titanic, join me to say wise ass things about me during a commentary. not really, but they'll be here. that's next, but first tonight's "worsts." the original birther has been repudiated by the pleasanton, california, tea party. it had invited her to its clan meeting tomorrow, but according to the founder, the group had been getting calls from candidates like crazy. it's not worth it, she's too controversial. this is not what the tea party is about at this point. wow! too controversial for the tea party. worst yet, i'm dropping her as limbaugh's nickname. the silver medalist, sean hannity. one of the things i fear the most is barack obama catering to the world's dictators is the -- literally the neville chamberlain of our time. let me tell you a couple things about neville chamberlain. he believed only conservatives had a monopoly on truth. he believed in suppressing dissent for moderates and liberals and tried to purge those people from his own government and party who disagreed with him.
he was an isolationist who believed his country could do whatever it wanted to and face no consequences and he was supported by every damned republican in this country. since you don't know what's happening in the world today around you, sean, you could at least try to get yesterday right. try wikipedia, sonny. our winner, bill-othe clown. but after senator coburn spanked him and fox news for leading an oklahoma woman to believe she could go to jail if she didn't buy health insurance, he said, you don't really know anybody on fox news because there hasn't been anyone that said people would go to jail if they didn't buy mandatory insurance. we researched to find out if anybody has ever said you were going to go to jail if you don't buy insurance. nobody has ever said it. but you use fox news as a whipping boy. what we didn't qualify there, you were wrong to do that, with all due respect. o'reilly's crack research team as usual. glenn beck, fox news, november 12th. glenn beck, if you don't got into their government health care, there will be jail time. november 9th, one of the
provisions in the pelosi bill, you can actually go to jail, $250,000 or five years in prison. november 10th, i don't do an impression of him. the government may fine you, prosecute you or put you in jail. greta van susteren, october 7th. can you imagine the sheriff going out and running you in, throwing you in jail. i mean, it is theoretically possible under what you tell me. and beck november 13th. beck, i don't have universal health care. host. well, you will soon. beck, or i'll go to jail. the host in that conversation was o'reilly. it was on his show. we researched to find out if anybody ever said you were going to go to jail if you don't buy health insurance. nobody has ever said it. in other words, bill couldn't find a quote from his own show with both hands. bill-o the clown, back from retirement and proving he can still bring the stupid, today's "worst person in the world."
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on december 17, 1990, a guest critic in the "los angeles times" wrote about the work of our next three guests. wrapped in the guise of a kid shows, mystery science tee they are 3000 contains some of the hippest, deepest satire of the generation. never mind the show, what a brilliant review that was. by me. it began with a guy and his puppets poking fun at awful movies on a minnesota television station in 1988. now it's on "time" magazine's list of the 100 best tv shows of all time. mystery science theater 3000, its creators present their snark live on a riff on a riff. it is called cinematic titanic.
the concept of the show seen here on vhs by way of youtube, it's a little cleaner in the original first generation as i recall, was simple and ingenious. man in space forced to watch bad movies with the robot puppets he invented. the three sat in silhouette in front of a truly awful movie, and thankfully they never shut up. the mystery science program has been off the air for a while, but now the band is back together to riff on bad movies again, this time in front of live audiences. you're looking at footage from a live dvd, a film in question, a spectacular called east meets watts. that's the cinematic crew on either side of the screen. listen. >> tim, i wish i could find a chinese laundry somewhere in san francisco. >> the letter said, meet me at the gravel pit in america. >> yeah, it's too bad the bay
area didn't have any beautiful locations they could shoot at. >> don't touch that! >> oh, [ bleep ], he walked right into a journey video. >> east meets watts and all the cinematic titanic titles are available for download and dvd at cinematictitanic.com. right now we've said cinematic titanic 31 times. live tours in massachusetts tomorrow, new jersey friday saturday and new york. in order left to right, trace bolou, hodson in the middle and jay elvis winestein. gentle me, it's 20 years overdue. >> thanks for having us. >> i have been a fan almost since the original days and i'm sure every fan you've ever had said the same thing when they first saw it. they said, what the hell is this? and then complete submersion.
how long does it take, do you think? how quickly does a fan become a fan? >> it's different for everybody. until you hear your joke, and your joke is in there somewhere. >> and how many jokes -- do you ever do like a word count, or a sell count on how many jokes there are per episode? >> it hangs around 600 usually. the first season we were at 300, and then the second season we got -- you know, once we were getting paid to do it, it got to be about 600. >> we saved those. >> doubled our output. >> jay elvis. >> yes. >> i thought this was true from the little thing i wrote oddly enough in the "los angeles times" 20 years ago. i think while you're having fun with bad movies, do enough people in your estimation really appreciate the deep satire and sometimes even the political satire, but more broadly the social satire you've worked into every one of these things? >> ego wise, i'd say, no, of course they can't possibly appreciate the deep satire we do.
as trace said, it's people find their jokes. some people actually scold us when we get political now because they don't want that from us. but i think with 600 jokes, there's -- you've got to go for a lot of different levels of joke. >> did you ever -- have you ever found that with that volume of humor, that people just tend to, as you said, they like the ones that are their jokes. and if they don't like the other ones, don't get them, aren't politically inclined, whichever way that might be tilting -- you get graded on the ones they laugh on, correct? >> if you wait long enough, one you like will come along. there's not enough heat on the jokes. it's like in a traditional sitcom you've got to have a joke to go to commercial. we never had to do that. >> no. it's a perfect democracy. every joke is equal. >> we're never just hanging on that one scene-closing joke. >> do you -- >> the scene never closes. it just keeps going on. >> do you miss the robots? because it seems like the fans
have adjusted to not having -- >> well, yeah. you know what? that's something i just made up one day. it's not real. and i hate to tell you, but trace was crow and -- >> what? >> if you listen close enough, it's kind of like he's crow, and if you listen close enough, he's tom. >> really? >> so you've just got to pretend. >> fans actually build their own and bring them to our shows for us to sign and meet. so it's -- so we don't actually miss them because we're constantly acquainted with them. >> bless them and make them official? >> i don't miss them because now we can keep our arms down by our sides. >> how rigorously physical was that? >> it was keeping your arms up. >> yeah. >> and neither of us are very good at upper body strength, so -- >> it's a workout and a job. >> yeah. >> and you have to do everything backwards too because you're looking at a monitor. >> backwards and in chinese, just to make it harder. >> will the live audience, you
do it in this environment where you're seated at the desks with scripts and latches, does the fact that it's live, can the audience screw you up by laughing too much, by enjoying it too much? >> that's certainly a good problem to have, right? i mean, that's part of the learning process we've had with the live shows, sometimes three jokes are going to get wiped out because of the laugh and you have to beddy to accept that and find that right in point back in. >> it's less work for us. it's like, flip the pages. >> certainly, and i know you've been asked this for the whole, you know, 22 years off and on, but certainly no film director, maybe there have been three who have ever tried this, have set out to make the worst movie of all time. so there must be some mixture between offense by the people who have actually produced these things, and are there some people who become fans of seeing their product resuscitate or